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There is a right and wrong answer here regarding ignorance. We are discussing ignorance. You may want to keep shifting the discussion to your conclusionary point, but I will stay on topic.
You can say you are not trying to "force" your position all you want. It's a misdirection. Since the discussion is about ignorance, you are indeed trying to force a position. It's clear to me that it's incredibly easy to be your kind of fake discourse in which we don't expect anything of each other other than an opinion.
But, opinions, as that saying goes, is like a holes in that everyone's got one. What separates the good ones from the bad ones is whether they move forward public debate in a constructive way.
Someone ignorantly spouting off is not as useful as a spokesperson (again what she has chosen) who is versed. Even if I disagree with such a person at least it creates a frame from which we can come to a common mind toward compromise. You offer no such structure.
Your position is indefensible with regard to reasoned discussion. It only makes sense in a faux sense of discussion in which people don't understand the subject matter.
In such a discussion, it's just as easy as to throw a dot at the board as to come to a clear understanding. The three questions I asked before about Melissa's ignorance is my problem with her. You ignored my thesis:
Ignorance is never a good thing for public discourse.
On that point, there is a right and wrong answer.
Just like if someone said 2+2 equals 10 is not a useful discourse by saying "well that's just that person's views.'
Yes it is. But it's still wrong. Melissa needs to understand the issues outside of herself and her circle of friends if she's going to put herself out as a spokesperson. Just like one would expect a person saying 2+2 equals 10 to be corrected.
It's really that simple. Spin as might, that's the issue here being discussed. I think you may labor under the American public view that anything regarding public policy is a matter of how one personally feels without regard to what our system is.
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You can say you are not trying to "force" your position all you want. It's a misdirection. Since the discussion is about ignorance, you are indeed trying to force a position. It's clear to me that it's incredibly easy to be your kind of fake discourse in which we don't expect anything of each other other than an opinion.
But, opinions, as that saying goes, is like a holes in that everyone's got one. What separates the good ones from the bad ones is whether they move forward public debate in a constructive way.
Someone ignorantly spouting off is not as useful as a spokesperson (again what she has chosen) who is versed. Even if I disagree with such a person at least it creates a frame from which we can come to a common mind toward compromise. You offer no such structure.
Your position is indefensible with regard to reasoned discussion. It only makes sense in a faux sense of discussion in which people don't understand the subject matter.
In such a discussion, it's just as easy as to throw a dot at the board as to come to a clear understanding. The three questions I asked before about Melissa's ignorance is my problem with her. You ignored my thesis:
Ignorance is never a good thing for public discourse.
On that point, there is a right and wrong answer.
Just like if someone said 2+2 equals 10 is not a useful discourse by saying "well that's just that person's views.'
Yes it is. But it's still wrong. Melissa needs to understand the issues outside of herself and her circle of friends if she's going to put herself out as a spokesperson. Just like one would expect a person saying 2+2 equals 10 to be corrected.
It's really that simple. Spin as might, that's the issue here being discussed. I think you may labor under the American public view that anything regarding public policy is a matter of how one personally feels without regard to what our system is.
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Well, certainly you can talk to him but you don't have tell everyone else we should shut up. You also should maybe point out to him that the junk he says is harmful and even leads to violence and murder. Besides, I don't remember us voting on you to be our mouthpiece to the Religious Right? Or was I busy the day we held the election?
Melissa, just go home and do whatever it is that multi-millionaires with trophy wives do (I have no idea). Please stop talking because you're embarrassing yourself and us.
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Melissa, just go home and do whatever it is that multi-millionaires with trophy wives do (I have no idea). Please stop talking because you're embarrassing yourself and us.
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Right now, I am reading multiple books, articles, and journals on green (or clean) technology because it's a subject matter of which I am ignorant, but, for which, I want to gain expertise. I am meeting everyone and talking to everyone that I can to understand the concepts. What I am advocating for Melissa is no different than I expect of myself or anyone who wants to have a reasonable discourse.
How exactly is she, even if she does meet with Warren, going to have a conversation that's useful to the gay rights movement if she doesn't know a) who he is b) the spectrum of issues involved and/or c) how to resolve them? Again, she's putting herself out there as a spokesperson, and therefore, this is the basis of why she should know what she's talking about.
Disagreement is fine when its based on that common understanding. Disagreement, such as the kind that Sullivan and you do, is not fine when it's based on manipulation of what's been said. One is logic and the other is factual.
About green tech, I could take your position and that of Melissa. Talk about the subject with potential clients without having studied it.
This certainly would drive my ego because then I really would be doing what you describe- assume that I am some kind of genius. That was very Rovian of you to say that by the way. To describe your behavior as if it is mine.
I choose to add something constructive to any future conversations I have on the subject by educating myself. That's all that is being said of Melissa.
You seem to think of that as a bad thing. I think its a healthy part of any real discourse. Unless your goal isn't discourse, but instead conclusionary positions about how she agrees with you? I suspect that's what this is about for you.
For the record, I would not have a problem with debating Warren in a forum that allowed both sides, gay and anti-gay, to have their say. So, I am not against real discourse. I am, however, against the ignorance that you are promoting as a virtue.
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No maior desastre aéreo do Brasil, ocorrido em 17 de julho de 2007 o AirbusA320, avião da Companhia Tam que decolou no RS com destino a SP se chocou após aterrisar na pista do aeroporo de Congonhas, contra a própria empresa TAM Express de despachos e um posto de gasolina do lado de fora do aeroporto em uma velocidade média de 175 km/h, matando todos os passageiros e tripulantes (No total, viajavam 187 pessoas: 160 passageiros; 19 tripulantes não-operantes no vôo e funcionários da companhia em trânsito; 6 tripulantes responsáveis pelo vôo; 2 crianças de colo e mais 12 pessoas que estavam no local ou trabalhando no momento do acidente. A pista usada para o pouso do AirbusA320 da TAM no aeroporto de Congonhas foi totalmente reformada mas além de ser curta, não foram executadas as arranhaduras para o escoamento de água e como São Paulo é chamada de "terra da garoa" é possível que haja mais acidentes de aviões nas próximas aterrisagens.Dia 23(segunda) houve um deslizamento de terra na cabeceira da pista devido ao deslocamento e destruição da canaleta de água ocorrido no dia do acidente com o airbusA320. Confira a lista completa das vítimas identificadas: Adelaide Helegda Rolim de Moura Alanis Ura Dona Andrade Ana Carolina Santos da Cunha Anderson Luis Falleiro Cassel André Ura Dona Antônio Carlos Araújo de Souza Caio Augusto Bueno Dalprat Carla Fioratti Carmen Luísa Victória da Fonseca Catilene Maia de Oliveira Claudemir Buzzanelli Arriero Clove Mendonça Júnior Daniela Bahdur Dias Pinto Deolinda Magaly Victória da Fonseca Douglas Henrique Outor Teixeira Edmundo Bernardo Silva Smith Elaine Tavares da Silva Evelyn Cristine Leo Campos Fabiane Conde Ruzzante Fabiano Rosito Matos Fábio Costa Balsells Fabio Martinho Novakoski Fernandes Fabíola Ko Freitag Fernando Marques de Jesus Fernando Volpe Estato Guilherme Duque de Moraes Helen de Cássia Monteiro Heloisa Helena Lopes Heurico Hirochi Tomita Inês Maria Kleinowski João Francisco Caltabiano João Roberto Brito José Antônio Lima da Luz José Antônio Rodrigues Santos Silva José Luís Souto Pinto Julia de Oliveira Camargo Julio Cesar Redecker Karen Melissa Ramos Kátia da Luz Escobar Lina Barbosa Cassol Luiz Antônio Rodrigues da Luz Mara Aline Pereira da Silva Marcello Rodrigues Palmieri Marcelo Carlos Stelzer Márcio Rogério Andrade Marcos Antônio Leme Curti Marcos Dias Stepansky Maria de Fátima Santiago Mariana Suzuki Sell Melissa Ura Michele Dias Miranda Mireile Franciane Bettiol Mirtes Tomie Suda Nelly Elly Priebe Nelson Wiebbelling Osvaldo Luiz de Souza Paulo de Tarso Dresch da Silveira. Paulo Rogério Amoretty Souza Pedro Augusto Linhares Caltabiano Peter Max Finzsch Rafaella Bueno Dalprat Raquel Soares Warmling Renan Klug Ribeiro Renata de Oliveira Gonçalves Ricardo Percy Tazoe Richard de Salles Canfield Roberto Gaviolli Roberto Ilson Weiss Junior Rodrigo Prado de Almeida Rosangela Maria de Avila Severo Rubem Withaeuper Silvânia Regina de Ávila Alves Simone Lacerda Westrupp Sônia Maria Machado Thiago Domingos da Silva Valdemarina Bidone de Azevedo e Souza Valdir Cordeiro de Moraes Vitacir Paludo Zenilda Otília dos Santos Vídeo de Emanuel Carvalho Contatos: neoprofissional@pop.com.
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It could be getting to the point where I feel like telling Melissa Etheridge to stick to singing. But, this is America and everyone is entitled to their opinion even when they don't square with the activist person we thought she was - the woman who coined the "throw us under the bus" line and threatened post-Prop 8 to not pay her taxes since she could no longer get married in California.
So Etheridge went on NPR again today and again defended Barack Obama's choice of homophobic pastor Rick Warren to say the innvocation at the inauguration. Towleroad.com has a nice transcript and audio link but the part where Melissa loses me is when interviewer Guy Raz played her the clip of Warren comparing homosexuality to polygamy and incest and in response Etheridge lamely says:
"Just because he [likens gay marriage to polygamy and incest] does not mean I have to not speak to him, or I don't want to ever be in his company. [...] We had a crazy experience at the Muslim Public Affairs Council Conference. They invited him, and me, not knowing that it would be such a dichotomy at the time. So we met. We spoke. [...] He said he was trying to make the definition of marriage not change -- not necessarily saying that gays are pedophiles or any of that stuff. One can draw whatever they want from that."
Egads. I've had enough.
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So Etheridge went on NPR again today and again defended Barack Obama's choice of homophobic pastor Rick Warren to say the innvocation at the inauguration. Towleroad.com has a nice transcript and audio link but the part where Melissa loses me is when interviewer Guy Raz played her the clip of Warren comparing homosexuality to polygamy and incest and in response Etheridge lamely says:
"Just because he [likens gay marriage to polygamy and incest] does not mean I have to not speak to him, or I don't want to ever be in his company. [...] We had a crazy experience at the Muslim Public Affairs Council Conference. They invited him, and me, not knowing that it would be such a dichotomy at the time. So we met. We spoke. [...] He said he was trying to make the definition of marriage not change -- not necessarily saying that gays are pedophiles or any of that stuff. One can draw whatever they want from that."
Egads. I've had enough.
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Last week, after a flurry of debates and protests broke out over Barack Obama’s selection of prominent megachurch pastor Rick Warren as the invocation deliverer at his inauguration, openly gay singer Melissa Etheridge and her partner stepped into the ring in hopes of avoiding another “reverse smear-the-queer.
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I dont feel Tammy was being bratty at all. She was upset because people were assuming and making judgment calls when they knew nothing of what transpired while those pictures were being taken. Every point you made in your response can be easily answered through her blog. My suggestion is for you to go back and re-read her blog with a clear mind and no disdain for her simply because she is famous. As far as her career choice, as I understand it through her blogs, her career choice at this point is to be a stay at home mom. I dont see how that is something that should be an open door for any photo hound to click pictures anytime he/she wants to. As for choosing to be in the public eye, Melissa has to be to a point, Tammy chooses not to be as much as possible. Yet they both choose NOT to have their children in the public eye. Do you really think its wrong for them to want that or to ask for that? A career choice of any kind should never be an open ended ticket for strangers to get into your private lives and private business. Imagine for yourself if your boss told you, you could only keep your job if pictures of your kids were posted on the Internet or in a rag mag. In a sense this is what happens every time someone like you comes along and says, Well theyre famous after all. They need to just expect and accept that people will want to take pictures of them. Its a part of their job, if they dont like it then they need to make another career choice. Yes, I paraphrased but only because Ive heard that lame argument too many times and each time it makes less and less sense to me as Im sure it does the people.
Lastly, before you go calling her immature again, enlighten yourself and read ALL her blogs. Tammy is an amazingly honest, amazingly funny and an impressively intelligent woman. She comes from a very humble background and shes gained a lot of knowledge in her 32 years on this earth. Do not judge her until youve given her the benefit of at least getting to know her. Or getting to know something about her.
Tammy is out spoken and stands up for herself, her family and her beliefs. I for one like that about her. But Im not all about trying to control her or control the way she does things within her own personal life. Maybe thats why I see nothing wrong with the way she handles herself when responding to people who dont have a clue as to whats going on in her personal life but still think they have the right to comment on her or Melissas parenting abilities. Or more aptly, comment on anything about their lives or the way they do things.
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I dont feel Tammy was being bratty at all. She was upset because people were assuming and making judgment calls when they knew nothing of what transpired while those pictures were being taken. Every point you made in your response can be easily answered through her blog. My suggestion is for you to go back and re-read her blog with a clear mind and no disdain for her simply because she is famous. As far as her career choice, as I understand it through her blogs, her career choice at this point is to be a stay at home mom. I dont see how that is something that should be an open door for any photo hound to click pictures anytime he/she wants to. As for choosing to be in the public eye, Melissa has to be to a point, Tammy chooses not to be as much as possible. Yet they both choose NOT to have their children in the public eye. Do you really think its wrong for them to want that or to ask for that? A career choice of any kind should never be an open ended ticket for strangers to get into your private lives and private business. Imagine for yourself if your boss told you, you could only keep your job if pictures of your kids were posted on the Internet or in a rag mag. In a sense this is what happens every time someone like you comes along and says, Well theyre famous after all. They need to just expect and accept that people will want to take pictures of them. Its a part of their job, if they dont like it then they need to make another career choice. Yes, I paraphrased but only because Ive heard that lame argument too many times and each time it makes less and less sense to me as Im sure it does the people.
Lastly, before you go calling her immature again, enlighten yourself and read ALL her blogs. Tammy is an amazingly honest, amazingly funny and an impressively intelligent woman. She comes from a very humble background and shes gained a lot of knowledge in her 32 years on this earth. Do not judge her until youve given her the benefit of at least getting to know her. Or getting to know something about her.
Tammy is out spoken and stands up for herself, her family and her beliefs. I for one like that about her. But Im not all about trying to control her or control the way she does things within her own personal life. Maybe thats why I see nothing wrong with the way she handles herself when responding to people who dont have a clue as to whats going on in her personal life but still think they have the right to comment on her or Melissas parenting abilities. Or more aptly, comment on anything about their lives or the way they do things.
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Ever since Melissa Etheridge published her slobbering Rick Warren suck up on Huffington Post I've felt that the Obama people and anyone else who cared -- if they cared -- breathed a sign of relief. Basically, Ehtheridge was completely bamboozled by Warren, who played to her ego -- he wanted her autograph -- and then there was her wife -- idiotic and insulting post on her blog that portrayed Warren as the victim in all of this.
I think Etheridge's heart was in the right place, in wanting to engage -- I have less insight on what motivates her partner, however -- but this wasn't time to do it, and I feel like she just usurped the movement. Shouldn't she have consulted with gay activists first? Then again, she's been vocal on Prop 8, and certainly has a right to be. We always want celebrities to speak up and use their voices for the cause. But when they go off the reservation, do we just suck it up or do we have a responsibility to take them head on and let everyone know they only speak for themselves? In other words, do Etheridge and her wife get the communal shoe? We'll get into it on the show today. Let me know your thoughts.
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Well, okay...not to nit pick, but his church doesn't believe in condoms or family planning for HIV/AIDS prevention, and works hard in Africa to proselytize his message of Jesus and abstinence, using HIV outreach as an evangelical tool. His church believes that gays who are actively practicing homosexuality are not welcome as members. And Warren says gays should suppress their urges the same way other people suppress anger or shyness.
Melissa, Warren and his ilk aren't of gays: They think gays are sinners who are convertible to their belief system, which includes no gay sex and straight sex only in marriage.
If you can get Warren to believe that civil marriage equality does not mean a religious marriage..right on. If you can get him to expand his vision to have marriage be more than just a religious concept, that would be awesome. And, btw, he's wrong about 5,000 years of marriage being solely between one man and one woman. There are plural marriages still in Islam, as there have been for 1500 years, as well as in the past history of the Mormon church and in current Mormon sects which allow for polygamy...
Many pray daily that closed minds like Warren's are opened, that the scales will fall from the eyes of Pastor Rick and his ilk. But thinking that are afraid is a wrong move. This type of Christian think they are right, and that (their) God is on their side. And there's too much at stake in terms of worldly power and wealth to make a sudden sea change.
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Melissa, Warren and his ilk aren't of gays: They think gays are sinners who are convertible to their belief system, which includes no gay sex and straight sex only in marriage.
If you can get Warren to believe that civil marriage equality does not mean a religious marriage..right on. If you can get him to expand his vision to have marriage be more than just a religious concept, that would be awesome. And, btw, he's wrong about 5,000 years of marriage being solely between one man and one woman. There are plural marriages still in Islam, as there have been for 1500 years, as well as in the past history of the Mormon church and in current Mormon sects which allow for polygamy...
Many pray daily that closed minds like Warren's are opened, that the scales will fall from the eyes of Pastor Rick and his ilk. But thinking that are afraid is a wrong move. This type of Christian think they are right, and that (their) God is on their side. And there's too much at stake in terms of worldly power and wealth to make a sudden sea change.
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Ever since Melissa Etheridge published her slobbering Rick Warren suck up on Huffington Post I've felt that the Obama people and anyone else who cared -- if they cared -- breathed a sign of relief. Basically, Ehtheridge was completely bamboozled by Warren, who played to her ego -- he wanted her autograph -- and then there was her wife -- idiotic and insulting post on her blog that portrayed Warren as the victim in all of this.
I think Etheridge's heart was in the right place, in wanting to engage -- I have less insight on what motivates her partner, however -- but this wasn't time to do it, and I feel like she just usurped the movement. Shouldn't she have consulted with gay activists first? Then again, she's been vocal on Prop 8, and certainly has a right to be. We always want celebrities to speak up and use their voices for the cause. But when they go off the reservation, do we just suck it up or do we have a responsibility to take them head on and let everyone know they only speak for themselves? In other words, do Etheridge and her wife get the communal shoe? We'll get into it on the show today. Let me know your thoughts.
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Melissa, youre being hoodwinked. Just today, Rev. Warren unrepentantly defended his comparisons of gays and lesbians to people who commit incest and pedophiles. He may have invited you to his church, but until the page was taken down, Saddlebacks website said that you would not be welcome. He is most assuredly not taking responsibility for his statements and he owes the gay community a public apology. It ought to be the first thing out of his mouth at the inauguration, but just because Rev. Warren likes your C.D.s and is nice to your face doesnt change the fact that behind your back he is working to undo your rights.
Ive had the opportunity to interview and speak with dozens of pastors in my career and each and every one of them have been unflaggingly nice to me in person, despite many of having made their name by spewing hate-filled homophobic invective from the pulpit. Ive had pastors tell me with a smile on their face that, though it pains them to say so, I am damned to hell. Its important to meet with people who seek to marginalize or dismiss you, but because we must challenge their beliefs. It can be done civilly and respectfully, but until bigots realize the harm they are doing to the lives of their fellow men, you have to keep at it. Its a shame that Etheridge, instead of falling for Warens charms, used the opportunity to question some of his beliefs.
But dont blame her. As weve seen, Rev. Warren is a two-faced pastor who will lie to cover his ass. Rev. Warren has fooled Melissa Etheridge once. Shame on him. If he does it again, then the shame will be hers.
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Ive had the opportunity to interview and speak with dozens of pastors in my career and each and every one of them have been unflaggingly nice to me in person, despite many of having made their name by spewing hate-filled homophobic invective from the pulpit. Ive had pastors tell me with a smile on their face that, though it pains them to say so, I am damned to hell. Its important to meet with people who seek to marginalize or dismiss you, but because we must challenge their beliefs. It can be done civilly and respectfully, but until bigots realize the harm they are doing to the lives of their fellow men, you have to keep at it. Its a shame that Etheridge, instead of falling for Warens charms, used the opportunity to question some of his beliefs.
But dont blame her. As weve seen, Rev. Warren is a two-faced pastor who will lie to cover his ass. Rev. Warren has fooled Melissa Etheridge once. Shame on him. If he does it again, then the shame will be hers.
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Richard Duane "Rick" Warren was born in San Jose, Calfornia, in 1954, the founder and senior pastor of the Evangelical mega-church, Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, currently the fourth largest church in the United States. Lou Melissa Etheridge was born 29 May 1961, in Leavenworth, Kansas an Oscar-winner and two-time Grammy Award-winning American rock singer-songwriter and musician.
Rick Warren and Melissa Etheridge are Hollywoods new BFFs! Melissa Etheridge cant believe Rick Warren is really a priest. Why? Because Warren reportedly has even Melissas earlier albums. Singer Melissa Etheridge has been an outspoken advocate for gay and lesbian rights. But this week the openly lesbian singer had an encounter with a man who has received no love from the gay community, the Rev. Rick Warren.
Etheridge and Warren met because he was scheduled to give Keynote address at an inter-religious event organized by a Muslim advocacy group, and Etheridge was to perform it.Etheridge admits on her blog that at first she thought cancel her appearance at the event, and she spoke with Warren on the phone.
Rick Warren defended his invitation to Obama's inauguration at the 8th Annual Convention of the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Long Beach, California Saturday.
Etheridge course, is gay rights lawyer who recently said she would not be taxed in California, the stopper 8 is done legally, and Warren anti-gay marriage preacher who was recently selected to initiate the activation of Barack Obama in January.
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Rick Warren and Melissa Etheridge are Hollywoods new BFFs! Melissa Etheridge cant believe Rick Warren is really a priest. Why? Because Warren reportedly has even Melissas earlier albums. Singer Melissa Etheridge has been an outspoken advocate for gay and lesbian rights. But this week the openly lesbian singer had an encounter with a man who has received no love from the gay community, the Rev. Rick Warren.
Etheridge and Warren met because he was scheduled to give Keynote address at an inter-religious event organized by a Muslim advocacy group, and Etheridge was to perform it.Etheridge admits on her blog that at first she thought cancel her appearance at the event, and she spoke with Warren on the phone.
Rick Warren defended his invitation to Obama's inauguration at the 8th Annual Convention of the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Long Beach, California Saturday.
Etheridge course, is gay rights lawyer who recently said she would not be taxed in California, the stopper 8 is done legally, and Warren anti-gay marriage preacher who was recently selected to initiate the activation of Barack Obama in January.
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Well, okay...not to nit pick, but his church doesn't believe in condoms or family planning for HIV/AIDS prevention, and works hard in Africa to proselytize his message of Jesus and abstinence, using HIV outreach as an evangelical tool. His church believes that gays who are actively practicing homosexuality are not welcome as members. And Warren says gays should suppress their urges the same way other people suppress anger or shyness.
Melissa, Warren and his ilk aren't of gays: They think gays are sinners who are convertible to their belief system, which includes no gay sex and straight sex only in marriage.
If you can get Warren to believe that civil marriage equality does not mean a religious marriage..right on. If you can get him to expand his vision to have marriage be more than just a religious concept, that would be awesome. And, btw, he's wrong about 5,000 years of marriage being solely between one man and one woman. There are plural marriages still in Islam, as there have been for 1500 years, as well as in the past history of the Mormon church and in current Mormon sects which allow for polygamy...
Many pray daily that closed minds like Warren's are opened, that the scales will fall from the eyes of Pastor Rick and his ilk. But thinking that are afraid is a wrong move. This type of Christian think they are right, and that (their) God is on their side. And there's too much at stake in terms of worldly power and wealth to make a sudden sea change.
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Melissa, Warren and his ilk aren't of gays: They think gays are sinners who are convertible to their belief system, which includes no gay sex and straight sex only in marriage.
If you can get Warren to believe that civil marriage equality does not mean a religious marriage..right on. If you can get him to expand his vision to have marriage be more than just a religious concept, that would be awesome. And, btw, he's wrong about 5,000 years of marriage being solely between one man and one woman. There are plural marriages still in Islam, as there have been for 1500 years, as well as in the past history of the Mormon church and in current Mormon sects which allow for polygamy...
Many pray daily that closed minds like Warren's are opened, that the scales will fall from the eyes of Pastor Rick and his ilk. But thinking that are afraid is a wrong move. This type of Christian think they are right, and that (their) God is on their side. And there's too much at stake in terms of worldly power and wealth to make a sudden sea change.
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You hate your own family for being gay??!! What?! Gay rights issues are just simple human rights issues. It's the same battles that were are fought by women, ethnic minorities, etc.. Preceisely the same struggle to be equal - nothing else certainly nothing that imposes anything on others - including you.
When the law was first discussed regarding the equality of women whether to allow them the right to vote, you would have said what? 'No, theyre not equal, keep things as they are'? Or even, 'Sure let them vote, but we won't call it a 'vote' we'll call it something else'. ??
The importance of recognizing everyone as equal in the eyes of the law is what can actually have us move towards world peace! And you'd prefer to hold so tightly onto what you call 'values' that you will let go of the people in your life and even your family - who you once held so dear and loved with all of your heart? You now treat them with hatred because they had the nerve to stand up and be proud of who they are?! What kind of worthy 'values' would have you do such a thing? It is certainly and fully your loss, and that of those otherse who try to force their beliefs on the people around them. Gays arent trying to make you gay - why would you force your straight views, beliefs lifestyle on them? It's pure ignorance. I hope you one day learn that the love you offer to others only makes you more loved.
Life is about growing, accepting supporting others for being just who they are. Isn't that all you want from your friends family? For them to be proud of you for being just who you are? But even parents don't know how to support things they don't understand - right? It's about letting go of fears about things that are different that we know nothing about actually learning somethign about them so that we're not just sitting there in our puddle of fear about what's new to us. That's no way to live. The more you learn about the amazing world around you the more you realize you're capable of making a huge difference in it. YOu learn about what scares you that you know nothing about - and you learn how to fill your life with more more love so you can have lifelong happiness. There's no way you can live a happy life when you're full of hate. We get defensive when people challenge what we feel is right because it's all we know. So go learn about what scares you and you'll no longer fear it because you'll understand it. Learning how to move on from silly fears will give you the ability to love as fully as you can, but until you do, you're just holding yourself back - and that's your own loss.
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When the law was first discussed regarding the equality of women whether to allow them the right to vote, you would have said what? 'No, theyre not equal, keep things as they are'? Or even, 'Sure let them vote, but we won't call it a 'vote' we'll call it something else'. ??
The importance of recognizing everyone as equal in the eyes of the law is what can actually have us move towards world peace! And you'd prefer to hold so tightly onto what you call 'values' that you will let go of the people in your life and even your family - who you once held so dear and loved with all of your heart? You now treat them with hatred because they had the nerve to stand up and be proud of who they are?! What kind of worthy 'values' would have you do such a thing? It is certainly and fully your loss, and that of those otherse who try to force their beliefs on the people around them. Gays arent trying to make you gay - why would you force your straight views, beliefs lifestyle on them? It's pure ignorance. I hope you one day learn that the love you offer to others only makes you more loved.
Life is about growing, accepting supporting others for being just who they are. Isn't that all you want from your friends family? For them to be proud of you for being just who you are? But even parents don't know how to support things they don't understand - right? It's about letting go of fears about things that are different that we know nothing about actually learning somethign about them so that we're not just sitting there in our puddle of fear about what's new to us. That's no way to live. The more you learn about the amazing world around you the more you realize you're capable of making a huge difference in it. YOu learn about what scares you that you know nothing about - and you learn how to fill your life with more more love so you can have lifelong happiness. There's no way you can live a happy life when you're full of hate. We get defensive when people challenge what we feel is right because it's all we know. So go learn about what scares you and you'll no longer fear it because you'll understand it. Learning how to move on from silly fears will give you the ability to love as fully as you can, but until you do, you're just holding yourself back - and that's your own loss.
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I was told that Warrens friends among the MPAC Muslim community had urged him to call Melissa Etheridge Friday night in the run-up to their being (serially) on the same stage Saturday night, and that he did so and they talked for half an hour. During his address, Warren mentioned also seeing Etheridge backstage on Saturday.
Local television in Los Angeles showed a short clip of Etheridge after the event asking gay leaders to reach out to Warren, just as they wanted him to reach out to them.
This stance was big of her, since she and her partner had planned to marry but were prevented from doing so by the same Proposition 8 that Warren worked for, and she was so upset she suggested she would refuse to pay California taxes since she is obviously not considered a full citizen by her fellow Californians.
Warren took the stage, friendly and ebullient, and implicitly complained about the bad press he has gotten since Obama announced he would read the invocation. He said that the media likes conflict, and where there is harmony there is nothing for them to report. When there is no conflict, he said, the media will create one.
Warren said, Let me just get this over very quickly. I love Muslims. And for the medias purpose, I happen to love gays and straights.
He explicitly mentioned meeting Etheridge, and explained that he has been a long time fan of hers, beginning with her self-titled first album of 1988. m enough of a groupie, he said, that I got her autograph on the Christmas album.
See more: Melissa Etheridge
Local television in Los Angeles showed a short clip of Etheridge after the event asking gay leaders to reach out to Warren, just as they wanted him to reach out to them.
This stance was big of her, since she and her partner had planned to marry but were prevented from doing so by the same Proposition 8 that Warren worked for, and she was so upset she suggested she would refuse to pay California taxes since she is obviously not considered a full citizen by her fellow Californians.
Warren took the stage, friendly and ebullient, and implicitly complained about the bad press he has gotten since Obama announced he would read the invocation. He said that the media likes conflict, and where there is harmony there is nothing for them to report. When there is no conflict, he said, the media will create one.
Warren said, Let me just get this over very quickly. I love Muslims. And for the medias purpose, I happen to love gays and straights.
He explicitly mentioned meeting Etheridge, and explained that he has been a long time fan of hers, beginning with her self-titled first album of 1988. m enough of a groupie, he said, that I got her autograph on the Christmas album.
See more: Melissa Etheridge
